MI NISMO ANĐELI 3 - TALKBACK
A3 - ROCK'N'ROLL UZVRAĆA UDARAC je ušao u bioskope.
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Thursday, October 12, 2006
A3 - ROCK'N'ROLL UZVRAĆA UDARAC je ušao u bioskope.
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Kad ce kritika?
Imas kritiku na Popboksu!
Third!!
Dobar film, ali ipak fali neki glumacki star, da nosi celu stvar. Sve je korektno i ok, ali fali malo vise harizme, valera i jake interakcije u glumackoj igri i medju glumcima u samim scenama. Fali neki magicni impuls nesto sto se odmah prepozna da je vauuuuuu, a ja to ovde bez obzira na sva dobra resenja nisam video.
A šta se dešava sa filmom "Škartovi"?
a sta se desava sa vasim filmom doba nevinosti kada ga snimate?
E da, ko je na kraju dobio ulogu Koste?
Meni film bukvalno nije nishta posebno.Gluma mi je losha kod devojke koja igra Saru,uzas!!Odlicna je muzika.Ali je odvratno to sto ceo film izgleda kao dugometrazna reklama.Smorili su sa komercijalom!
E, ljudi!!!!!!!!!
Znam da nema veze sa ovom temom ali jeste li se čuli sa Svetom (Stefan Bundalo)u skorije vreme?
vrlo dobra kritika na
http://suprastudio.blogspot.com/2006/10/walk-with-me.html
Jel' "Nevinost" pocela da se snima ili ne?
Vojnov voli Andjele,pa naravno kada mu samo pertle jos vire iz ruzicastog dupeta!! Serem se na takvog prodanog kriticara... Jajca i krompira....
jos nisam pogledao, ali sam sokiran koliko je ljudi "a priori" popljuvalo ovaj film, i to pri tom dodajuci da "ni nemaju nameru da ga pogledaju", pa koji q*** onada komentarises? Ako ti se ne svidja nemoj da ides u bioskop, prebaci tv kanal kada ide reklama za film, ugasi radio kada ide pesma iz filma, skreni pogled kada vidis plakat za film. Ljudi, niko vas ne tera da gledate "Andjele", ako to ne zelite... I tuzno je sto toliko prozivate Dimitrija Vojnova iz ciste zlobe, makar covek radi nesto. Bilo to "dobro" ili "lose", ne sedi samo na svojoj bulji zaleci se na sve zivo!!!
ali se žali na sve živo, osim na ono u čemu on učestvuje!
e, svasta, zamisli kad bi se neko zalio na ono u cemu ucestvuje?!
Film me je apsolutno razocarao. Imali su temu sa kojom su mogli da naprave bum ali pokazalo se da nemaju maste ni za najosnovnije komicne komentare. Atak na nervni sistem sa svim sarenilom, reklamama i potenciranjem fizickih nedostataka Pejakovica. Takvu likcinu protraciti stavljajuci u prvi plan njegov stomak ili pozadinu je skaredno!Nedostatak koncepta, smisla, stila...ma svega i na kraju potpuno izostajanje poruke. Pa mislim stvarno...!
Iscekivala sam ovaj film jer sam volela kritike Dimitrija Vojinova. Izgleda da sam previse ocekivala... Jebi ga. Vise pamei sledeci put!
Ako si super kriticar i analiticar, to ne garantuje samo po sebi da ces napisati super scenario ili da ces napraviti ne znam kakav uspeh sa projektom u kome kao takav ucestvujes. Jednostavno, garancije nema. Mogu ja super nesto da iskomentarisem, ali da kad treba to da uradim sam totalni duduk ili genije za to. Moc "operative" i "analitike" ne moraju biti ni u kakvoj vezi, a i mogu. Drugim recima, moze a ne mora... Tako reci, moze biti ali ne mora da znaci.
E onda se ne treba ni hvatati "operative". Kritika je usko povezana sa samokritikom. Uostalom sve je to deo jednog procesa - kritickog promisljanja i samo je pitanje njegovog usmerenja - ka sebi ili ka drugima.
Ne mislim da su u pravu oni koji prozivaju kriticare jer nisu nista napravili pa kao nemaju pravo ni da komentarisu. To je glupo. Bolje da budu dovoljno svesni svojih sposobnosti i da ne prave gluposti. Ovako samo urusavaju sopstveni kredibilitet
kako je otvorio A3, koliko gledalaca?
A3 je bolji i od keca i od dvojke, a kudikamo i od ostalog opusa S.D. Ideoloski je cistiji, zna se za sta je, protiv cega je i da nas nije unistio "drekavac" vec "drekacvi". Koje je doduse napravio PINK...ali to je predistorija. Dimitrije napravio odlican posao. Nada Macankovic neka otvori butik.
A3 je bolji i od keca i od dvojke, a kudikamo i od ostalog opusa S.D. Ideoloski je cistiji, zna se za sta je, protiv cega je i da nas nije unistio "drekavac" vec "drekacvi". Koje je doduse napravio PINK...ali to je predistorija. Dimitrije napravio odlican posao. Nada Macankovic neka otvori butik.
A3 je bolji i od keca i od dvojke, a kudikamo i od ostalog opusa S.D. Ideoloski je cistiji, zna se za sta je, protiv cega je i da nas nije unistio "drekavac" vec "drekacvi". Koje je doduse napravio PINK...ali to je predistorija. Dimitrije napravio odlican posao. Nada Macankovic neka otvori butik.
Nije, bolji od keca i dvojke. Nema nikakve veze sa prethodna dva filma. To je lepo slikan i umiven, "tanak" film koji u razlicitim scenama, podseca na razlicita ostvarenja. Onaj ideoloski "cistiji" deo je varijanta "Kako je propao rokenrol" i sto puta vidjena prica, momci iz benda, sviraju u garazi, klubu rok end rol itd.isl. Pa onda splavovi, pa vasari, pa sve po malo. Cviju su optuzivali da je u drugom delu "Mile" ali tek sada je "Mile". Fale jaci likovi u glavnim ulogama. U ovoj podeli najbolji glumac je Zika Todorovic ali brate on je samo djavo. Ostali su od prosecnog i ok teksta napravili ok, korektan i prosecan film. Ali nisu napravili super film. Tu se vidi da nema starova u kljucnim ulogama. Ovde bas to fali. Blokbaster mora da ima stara. Ovde su glumci dobri ali samo dobri. To nije dovoljno. Tu je ta razlika izmedju Koje, Bjela, Sergeja s jedne i Glogovca, Djuricka, Cvije, Milivojevica, Cvije ... sa druge strane. Zika je negde izmedju, cak mozda bolji glumac od ove prve trojke ali vali mu harizme u odnosu na njih. Ovaj film vapi za starom koji ce to da ponese i razvali, glumacki kompenzuje sve nedostatke drugih stvari u filmu a toga nema pa nema.
Cenim da ovaj film nema sanse da po gledanosti nadmasi A2, ni u snu. Najrelanija mi se cini procena oko 200 000 gledalaca. Ono sto mi se cinilo i kao problem da bas nije bilo o folmu ni na "Pinku" ni na drugim stanicama neki marketing za film. Ni specijalne emisije, ni razgovora sa akterima ni film o filmu, ni kurca ni palca. Mozda su to neke nove marketinske dokrtine, mozda se islo samo kao da gledaju srednjoskolci ali i onda je marketing mogao da se potrudi.
Pa, anegdote sa snimanja, nista. Pa paparaco fotografije, nista. Pa, jebote, jel vas boleo kurac za marketing ili sta.Jedan od retkih novinarskih "priloga" cuj priloga sa sve garnirungom, bavio se naravno Sekom, uz informaciju da je bila premijera A3, onda jos sturog off/a i misljenje Tijane Dapcevic o filmu. Mozda je jos bila slika mase u holu i politicara koji se klibere. Ni reci o samom osvtarenju, ni razgovor sa glavnim glumcima ni sa rediteljem, ni sa scenaristom ni sa Dragojevicem. Ne kapiram. Jel se tu neko s nekim posvadjao ili su bili razliciti koncepti, ali nekog jedinstva u smislu predstavljanja filma ni u naznakama.
Manda je bio zanimljiv. Taj lik je imao prostora u filmu i previse, zahvalan za glumacku igru i zajebanciju, a gosn Manda kao da ga je s kurca odigrao. Kao da je zurio da tu bedu skine sebi s vrata. Stavio je lik u jedan klise i vozi Misko. Taj problem se kod nasih glumaca ipak malo precesto javlja. Opsta mesta u igranju lika pa udri. To je meni izgledalo kao mali djokica kako zamislja da izgleda Sasa Popovic ili neki drugi grand folk estradni ovo ono, mislim hit mora da zakiva, da udara u centralu, menadzer lipovacko-sabacko-loznicko-prigradske-konjarnicko-karaburmaste provinijecnije. Da li se to desava zbog nedovoljne pripreme ili sta, ali nekad mi se cini: producente brate dovedi nekog pravog menadzera da igra sebe u datim okolnostima i liku; i dobices bolji evekat i pravu sliku i osecaj.
Glumci nasi su ti izgleda kao doktori opste prakse. Za virtuoznija resenja treba bre otorinolaringolog da malo dublje procacka. Pun mi je vise kurac povrsinskih glumackih radova. Evo, pitanje za Mandu: " Jel si bio na ibarskoj magistrali, lipovackim nocima, danima estrade, moravskim biserima, jel si razgovarao bilo formalno ili neformalno ili se mozda druzio sa nekim pravim menadzerom, mislim estradnim, jel si ih gledao po televizijskim emisijam, jel si citao njihove intervjue nedeljnicima i dnevnim novinama, jesi li razmisljao da si u njihovoj kozi, smradu rostilja i mlade pevacke picetine koja te ponese, jel si razmisljao kolko kosta koja pesma, koji pevac je bio zigolo, koji taksista a koji obijac, jel si napravio svoj foto robot ili svoju biografiju lika. Jel nisi nista jeo par dana pa isao od vasara, do vasara,od radija do radija i trazio pesmu ili novu zvezdu da otrkijes... Jel si se drogirao u Interkontiju i orgijao i izivljavao se nad prostittkama. Jel si isao sa svojim pevackim pulenom i samarao striptizete. Jel si jeo cevape, i podrigivao, a posle toga popio najskuplji sampanjac, jel nisi sekao nokte par nedelja ili se nisi tusirao i spavao pet dana. Jel si ti bre proziveo tog menadzera,ili jel si bar malo mislio o tome? Jel si uradio bar trecinu ovih stvari? Ja nesto ne verujem da jesi, jer bi se te implikacije na ovoj ulozi morale videti, a kod tebe se ne vide.
Ja cu sigurno kupiti cd sa muzikom iz filma. Vec zamisljam kako kresem neku ribu na zurci uz vrhunsku pesmu "Splavovi". Kresem i vicem: "Hua, hua, hua, hua, hua"...
KAd ce DVD?
Sta mislite, da li je Nikola Pejakovic bio prvo resenje za glavnu ulogu?
Sta mislite, da li je Nikola Pejakovic bio prvo resenje za glavnu ulogu?
Култура
Филмска критика
Ни фазони ни форе
Филм: „Анђели 3 – Rock’n’ Roll узвраћа ударац”; режија Петар Пашић; сценарио Срђан Драгојевић и Димитрије Војнов; улоге: Никола Пејаковић, Златко Ракоњац, Срђан Жика Тодоровић, Урош Ђурић, Весна Тривалић, Зоран Цвијановић..., трајање: 90 мин., производња: Србија, 2006.
Из филма „Анђели 3”
Шта нам осим урушавања једног мита и иконографије кича и треша, још доносе „Анђели 3”?
Па..., свакако спознају: да је прича ове такозване тинејџерске комедије саткана од низа недуховитих и дијалошки прилично натегнутих фора и фазона, да је редитељ филма Петар Пашић показао да зна да режира музичке и рекламне спотове па и овај мега рекламно-музички спот као рођен за ружичасту телевизију, да главни глумац Златко Ракоњац личи на Ештона Кучера, јунака серије „Веселе седамдесете” и новог супруга Деми Мур, да једино фолк-звезду Светлану Секу Алексић (уз изузетак Бориса Миливојевића у лику фолкерске звезде Белог) није „жуљала” улога, већ је показала да је природна пред камерама и када не пева...
О чему је филм ? У најкраћем: секс, дрога, фолк и рок у одурном амбијенту, као још једно замешатељство Ђавола и Анђела који су испровоцирали суочавање Доријана (Никола Пејаковић), средовечне фолк-звезде, а некадашњег рокера 70-их, са Марком (Златко Ракоњац), младим рокером који сања да сними демо у времену у којем неприкосновено владају турбо-фолкери и звезде Гранд шоуа и Пинк телевизије (овде и као копродуценту филма). Све је тако „умуљано” да се понешто каже и за и против свеопштег српског музичког тренда, а да се копродуцент не увреди и не осети кривим за наметање квазимузичких вредности и готово монополског утицаја на формирање музичког укуса овдашње популације. Чисте комедије је мало, доминирају гег и приземан штос, испразни пасажи и елементарна недуховитост, несимпатични јунаци за које се тешко везује и навија. Када их не воле они који су их створили, што би их волела публика.
На основу виђеног могло би се закључити и да су косценаристи Срђан Драгојевић и Димитрије Војнов сличног мизантропског менталног склопа, с тим што онај старији у тандему (Драгојевић) ваљда покушава да се подмлади или надокнади пропуштено из младости, а онај млађи (Војнов) да по сваку цену покаже колико је стармали, иако толики терет његова плећа још увек не могу да поднесу. Но, како је младом Војнову ово ипак сценаристички деби у формату целовечерњег играног филма, срећу не треба кварити. Коначни суд о његовом таленту, потенцијалу и вредностима као сценаристе, може се донети тек након што се појави са каквим самосталним, надамо се и зрелијим делом.
Што се сценаристе и продуцента Срђана Драгојевића тиче, он је очигледно током боравка у Америци врло добро научио шта значи product placement (пласирање спонзорских производа и брендова у филму) и како га што боље искористити у домаћем филму. За то освојено знање и његово експертско примењивање у пракси, заслужује честитке. У „Анђелима 3”, у односу на „Анђеле 2”, чак је надмашио себе. Филм врви од употребе домаћих и страних производа и робних марки на свим могућим и немогућим местима у филму. Од хамбургера из најпознатијег светског ланца брзе хране, музичких хај-фај уређаја, ауто-гума, козметичких производа и аутомобила, до популарног домаћег енергетског пића од којег се не спава већ буљи к′о сова буљина... Свега је у толикој мери, да постаје свеједно шта у међувремену раде глумци, шта се у причи дешава и која се музичка нумера тренутно изводи (а има их и добрих и квалитетних). Тако престаје оно што се сматра филмом и настаје мутантски рекламно-музички спот који се гледа у биоскопу. И ето новог жанра у српском филму!
„Анђели 3” миљама је удаљен од свих вредности Драгојевићевог дипломског филма „Ми нисмо анђели”. Његови усиљени наставци штете миту и о том филму и о његовом аутору. Заиста не би ваљало да једног дана на помен Драгојевићевог имена неко каже: „Је л′ то беше онај што је целог живота снимао Анђеле”. Време је да се иде даље.
Дубравка Лакић
[објављено: 20.10.2006.]
Ej' Dimitrije, hocete li raditi kasting za "Skartove"? Definitivno se vidim u ulozi skinsa ili nekog porno- glumackog- stara manijaka. Dakle, sinopsis na imdb-u me je vrlo inspirisao, moram priznati.
Ne znam, SKARTOVI su tek u povoju. Sada se radi nova verzija scenarija i gleda se da li je taj projekat u ovom trenutku uopste izvodljiv...
A šta je bilo sa onom pričom da će na scenariju sarađivati i publika. . . Tako nešto sam čuo?
Scenario je u jednoj verziji bio poslat na PLJUSovu mailing listu, medjutim, ekipa se nije nesto pretrgla od sugestija.
U medjuvremenu smo jako puno radili na tekstu.
Film ce biti vrlo cudan, provokativan, mracan, i to mu je glavna prepreka da se snimi u Srbiji koja nije spremna za tako radikalnu stvar.
Kod nas se snimaju samo neki soft core filmovi, kao SEDAM I PO ili SUTRA UJUTRU, a SKARTOVI su vise u fazonu VISITOR Q Takashi Miikea, IRREVERSIBLE Gaspara Noea, AMERICAN HISTORY X. U stvari kada bih morao da ga definisem, definisao bih ga kao SERBIAN HISTORY XXX.
U sustini, taj scenario je svima ostavio urtisak da bi zeleli da ga gledaju, ali vec je manje bilo onih koji bi dali pare za to.
No, bas u tome je draz tog projekta. Kada ides sa A3 gde se finansijeri utrkuju na nesto sto je do te mere zajebano i ekstremno.
Pa sto ga ne postavite ovde. Mozda i bude sugestija...
a sta je sa filmom doba nevinosti, sto necete da kazete da li se snima, opet nesto mutite...
A u kom kontekstu se pominju pornici u Skartovima?
Dubravka Lakic bi mogla da se vrati manekenstvu i da prestane da popuje o tome sta valja, sta ne valja, ona, koja je svoju @kriticarsku@ karijeru zapocela u Politici, u vreme kada je ovaj, i sada nemoguc medij, bio tako promilosevicevski nastrojen da niko ko je zavrsio FDU nije za njega hteo da radi.
Ona da ima muda, ili barem gde da ode, zapalila bi iz Politike na vreme. Ali, niko je nece.
Šta kenjaš, anonimus?! Svima vam je lepo kad vas neko pomiluje po guzici( nema veze da li je muško ili žensko) ali ako vam neko zasluženo zvizne šamarčinu onda nastaje problem. Ona je bar ima kritičarsku karijeru za razliku od tebe,sinovac. A to što ona fino izgleda ne znači da je glupa i da njeno mišljenje ne vredi. I pusti, care, Miloševića i taj epitet "miloševićevski", koji uporno kačite uz sve i svašta. To je tako bajata priča i odmah govori da je nezrela osoba u pitanju.
Tako je!
Gledao! Ukratko - najveci problem - film mi nije dovoljno smesan. Nekoliko scena "ha, ha, ha" i to je to. Uvodna scena na radnoj akciji fenomenalna, pracena jos boljom spicom (za razliko od nasih uobicajnih belo na crno, ili obrnuto, naslova) i onda hm, mlako. Dalje mladi glumci su zaista losiji deo filma, pretpostavljam da je u pitanju neiskustvo pred kamerama ili sta vec, ali ipak se predimenzionira sekina superiornost u odnosu na njih - zapravo, rekao bih, tu su negde. Nikola Pejakovic kao Dorjan je odlican, njegov lik zaista ima neku harizmu i sve vreme mi ga je bilo pomalo zao, narocito kada se smorio i nije hteo da kresne saru, zbog marka. Marko, s druge strane totalna suprotnost, cak me i nervirao, njegov lik je trebalo da bude bolje napisan. Sve je to ok, ali gde mu je, bre, mladalacki rokerski bunt, i malo vise strasti prema sari, a ne "nja, nja, nja"....Mozda bi bilo interesantno videti kako bi film izgleado da su zamenjeni samo identiteti, ali ne i glumci - jasnije, da je nakon "transfera" zlatko glumio dorjana, a kolja marka (kao u face/off)... Zatim numere su dobre, ali mozda ih ima previse na sat i po vremena, s obzirom da nije u pitanju mjuzikl, ako oduzmete songove, radnja se efektivno odvija tek nesto vise od sat vremena.... iako me film nije (toliko) nasmejao, drago mi je sto se humor nije bazirao na tipicnom izlivu pretnji seksualnog opstenja sa necijom majkom (ovde se zapravo takva pretnja realizovala, i ta scena je bas ql). Zoki Cvijanovic - mora, bre, neko da mu da ulogu totalno suprotnu od Mileta, da se covek malo otrezni... Goran Jevtic, mora da skapira razliku izmedju sinhronizacije crtanog filma i glume pred kamerom, dosta kreveljennja, i los je izbor za ulogu siledzije jer je mator... Boris Milivojevic - fenomeenalaaan, govorio sam ranije, a sada cu javno - on je najpotcenjeniji filmski glumac u Srba - te transformacije koje on pravi od trandze s bosanskim akcentom u "natashi", preko boleta u "crnom gruji", grbavog u "sivom kamionu...", pa i blente u zvezdara teatru (smesna strana muzike), pa sad Beli - covek zaista moze svasta... Sad kod SD-a se vec od Rana javlja problem da karikiranje nekog miljea izaziva kod mnogih kontraefekat - pa kada su onako prikazani krimosi u "ranama", iako je SD hteo sto vise da ih izvrne ruglu, vecina klinaca se nalozila na pinkija i svabu - po skolama su svi odjednom furali taj "srpski gangster" fazon, tako i ovde iako je meni karikiranje folkera zabavno, kod mnogih ce izazvati pozitivnu reakciju, pa ocekujem da ce "splavovi" ubrzo postati hit osamnaestih rodjendana... 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